Dear Mr. Hodgman,

On October 13th I went to the FaithDefenders website and ordered some CDs on an intro to the book of Revelation. Paypal confirmed that my payment was deposited in their account on the 19th. I still have not received my CDs and am now somewhat doubtful I will get them. Even when I was at their website I had this nagging suspicion that something was not right (before I found your blog). Is their website at all legit?? Do you know if they fulfill orders placed there? Your input is important to me. Thank you!
Frank.

rzhblog Says:

Historically Faith Defenders has been very good at filling orders per the Better Business Bureau. There has not been any complaints that I am aware of related to failure to supply what was ordered.

However, that was before Faith Defenders suffered what has happened in recent months. It has been awhile since I have checked with the Better Business Bureau about Faith Defenders too. I recommend that you file a complaint with the Better Business Bureau if you do not appear to get any action from a Faith Defenders person.

Sorry to hear about your problems with Faith Defenders but maybe a complaint with PayPal will get some response?

Please do not allow Faith Defenders to get away with taking your money without supplying the goods that you ordered.

I sincerely hope that your ordered goods does arrive in the mail soon.

The Faith Defenders website appears to give only an email address with no mailing address or phone number. The historical toll free phone number for Faith Defenders is (800) 418-7884 but all I get is a busy signal for that phone number.  This phone number comes from the sign on the Faith Defender’s building before it was destroyed for the construction of a new hotel.  A photo of that sign can be viewed here.

Douglas Shenk per my research is still connected to the Faith Defenders  website and he still attends the church that Robert Morey was pastor of before moving to California.  The website for New Life Bible Church is here.

Both “California Bible University and Seminary” and “Faith Community Church of Orange Country, Inc.”  no longer exist and the phones to both ministries have been disconnected.

Douglas Shenk’s email address is dshenk@hughes.net

Since Robert Morey is rumored to be somewhere in Pennsylvania; perhaps “New Life Bible Church” maybe able to give you Robert Morey’s current phone number and  / or address.

Due to the fact that Robert Morey appears to have dropped out of sight somewhere in Pennsylvania; this blog has little to post now days related to it’s mission statement.

The “Restoration of Biblical Thought” blog will continue to post comments on the “Biblical Thought” blog when the spirit of discernment leads me to post something.

The true truth war continues ……  even if Robert Morey appears to be missing in action.

The mission of this blog appears to be close to being finished.   It is time to create a new blog and move on to a new mission.

In response to what happened here that was off mission statement for this blog; a new Blogger blog has been created called (Watchblog) Squared. and its mirror WordPress blog is called the same thing.

The conflict that started here that was off mission statement for this blog will be addressed by the new blog and no comments will be allowed on the new blog.  All comments related to the original conflict that started here will not be posted here either.

The WordPress blog is totally closed to comments.   The Blogger blog would be the same way but Blogger doesn’t allow this option.   Therefore, the Blogger blog is open to subscriber comments only and I have no plans to have any subscribers.   This is due to my experience with this blog that Watchblog Popes do not like being questioned and they can post extremely angry comments on my blog.   Demand that I act quickly on their comment(s) or risk some negative action like fire falling from Heaven to consume me for infinity.   Also, there is the trolling comments  left advertizing a Watchblog site.    By the grace of God, I have yet to be hit by a lightning bolt or suffer some other negative event for posting a negative blog article on one of the Lord’s self-appointed Watchblog Popes.

The option will still exist that persons wishing to respond to my postings can email me, but I will have the policy that I do not have to respond to emails that I believe are not worth responding to.

I have freedom of speech and I do not have to allow comments on a blog posting or answer an email either.   I call this my Mark Driscoll policy since it is his policy for dealing with critics per my understanding.

The Mark Driscoll critic suddenly made a new demand that I remove all postings related to him.   I took the liberty to remove all comments he has posted too even if that went above his request.   As usual the demand didn’t include please or any other kind of respect.  I have no idea why that demand was suddenly given as he gave no explanation.  I do not assume that I had any victory as he admitted no victory and I have admitted in one of the removed posting that he had a few good points.

Like Mark Driscoll, I desire peace with others even person I disagree with.  The Mark Driscoll critic I admit made some good points which I was willing to consider as having merit.  However, I still believed I was right even if I had to amend some of my statements.   I am willing to admit when I am in error but I was not willing to admit  I was in error sufficient to admit him totally right.  On some matters where he appeared to be partly right I was willing to met him halfway by amending  some of my postings.

I considered his request to have the postings related to him removed an acceptable request as long as all of his comments were removed too.

It is like he was never present at this blog.  If I managed to miss something that should be removed like a comment or another posting it will be removed even if the request once again doesn’t include the word “please”.

Nothing was deleted as everything was saved including his request to have all postings related to him removed.  It is saved so it can be restored later but I have no plans to restore any of that material.   Modified postings will appear later that have some of the information as to why I really do believe that Mark Driscoll is not being treated fairly by many watchblogs.  There are some watchblogs out there that do have a fair and balanced critique of Mark Driscoll.   I know that Mark Driscoll is not perfect and he is not above being called to account for some issues in a loving and graceful way that will help him improve his ministry.   Iron does sharpen iron if done in a loving and graceful way that honors God.

I hope this does help in creating peace as this blog doesn’t exist to start blog wars.  It exists for me to protest what I believe is not right in so-called Christian cyperspace.

Now I am late to my train to San Diego ….. because I had to amend this blog.

If my rush to make these changes per his request has resulted in a mess because I made the changes so quickly; that will be fixed after my return from San Diego.

BT

You can also leave a review of “Biblical Thought” on “Technorati“.

My review follows:

This blog appears to be no longer connected to “Faith Defenders”.  The weblinks between the “Faith Defenders” and “Biblical Thought” websites have been removed.  Robert Morey no longer appears to post on “Biblical Thought” and he appears to have been replaced by “John Calvin Facebook”.  As of this date, John Calvin Facebook has not posted on Biblical Thought.  Cool

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I encourage all who do not like “BiblicalThought.com” to post a negative review on “Blog Catalog“.

I just left my review and a copy of it follows:

If you love red herring arguments and other logical fallacy arguments like guilt by association; then Biblical Thought is a great Christian apologetics blog. Robert Morey doesn’t appear to blog there anymore. The weblink to “Biblical Thought” from the “Faith Defenders” website has been removed. Likewise, the weblink to “Faith Defenders” from the “Biblical Thought” website has been removed. “Biblical Thought” now weblinks to “John Calvin Facebook” making it appear that the spirit of John Calvin has replaced Robert Morey. Per registration information for “biblicalthought.com” the owner of this website address is “Media Kamp” not Robert Morey or any of his DBAs.

I reference the following for more information:

http://www.faithdefenders.biz

http://www.biblicalthought.net

BT3

In response to Stephen Macasil’s very overgeneralized blog posting called “Has the Apologetics Demand Suddenly Increased?“    This blog takes the position that the apologetic needs of modern Christendom has not increased but the need for watchblog persons like Stephen Macasil to get into a real Christian ministry has increased.  Satire blogs to make fun of persons like Stephen Macasil has radically increased and praise the Lord that need is being met!!!!!  I present the following Satireblog postings as evidence:

8 Discernmentalist is Enough

Challies Underminds Watchblogs (1)

Challies Underminds Watchblogs (2)

God is faithful in raising up Satireblogs to protect His called out ones from Watchblogs desiring to create followers of men like Stephen Macasil rather than the Lord Jesus Christ.

As a paraphase of Paul says: “Did Stephen Macasil die for your sins?”

If the answer is no you must follow Jesus and not Stephen Macasil.

As the Bible says you cannot have two masters so pick the right one as it means the difference between Heaven and Hell.  Desire God not unique spiritual discernment that results in brood of viper blogs in Cyperspace claiming to have Biblical Thought.

Roberts Liardon

Roberts Liardon

The purpose of this blog is not to critique Daniel Chew.  Even if Daniel took time out of his extremely busy schedule of attacking persons on his blog to include this blog for a short period before deciding that it was a waste of his time to attack me [Obviously attacking me was not resulting in enough traffic to his blog so he moved on to topics that created the Google traffic desired to his blog.].  He attacked me for liking Mark Driscoll whereas Stephen Macasil attacked me for liking Tim Keller.

There is another anti-Mark Driscoll blog that has taken more of an interest in attacking this blog than Daniel Chew has to date and I have gotten tired of that person’s silly comments.  The purpose of this blog is not to defend Mark Driscoll from the many bloggers who love to slander him.  I leave it up to God to punish persons who slander Mark Driscoll using blogs and I wouldn’t want to be them on judgement day.

The party spirit very much exists in Christendom where a blog that is part of the wrong party gets attacked by bloggers of the other party.  I agree with Mark Driscoll that it should all be about Jesus; but Mark Driscoll tends to speak more of Jesus than his critics who at times appear to be promoting a version of Christless Christianity that Michael Horton of The White Horse Inn has been busy exposing as non-Christian.    One of the rules of the Christless Christianity promoted by the anti-Mark Driscoll gang is that to be a true Christian you must have spiritual discernment that Mark Driscoll has no right to be a teaching elder of any real Christian church.  It is not sufficient to discern that Mark Driscoll speaks more about Jesus than his critics have a tendency to.  Mark Driscoll’s critics are too busy talking about what their favorite spiritual discernment guide has recently posted on his blog to have any time to say much about Jesus.   At times I ponder if “spiritual discernment” has become a god in modern Christendom that has more influence than Jesus himself.   Who cares what Jesus had to say about anything but did you recently read what ______ had to say on his blog.

I have become aware of a blogger who has become a major critic of Daniel Chew.   There is a lot of persons on the internet getting really tired of Daniel Chew.  You would think that Daniel Chew was VemonFangX’s spiritual brother in Christ.

The Anti-Daniel Chew blog is called “Antithesis“.  For the record, this is a Anti-Stephen Macasil and Anti-Robert Morey blog.    You will know they are true Christians by whom they are against!!!!!  You must leave Jesus out of this matter as true truth wars have nothing to do with Jesus.  Spiritual Discernment is what it is all about as the Bible is understood only by those that have the correct spiritual discernment.

To keep up on the latest news in the online spiritual discernment war I strongly recommend “The Online Discernmentalist Mafia“, Lark News, The Sacred SandwichWittenburg Door, Discerning the World 3Tommy In The Box, and Protector of the Truth.

Because I am sick of modern stupid Christian songs and being told I will burn in Hell for daring to disagree with various spiritual discernment guides who I believe may not be really Christians but only God knows for sure; I love this satire video posted on Discerning the World 3:

I am sure that many spiritual discernment guides will take my like of this video as good satire evidence that I am truly born to burn in Hell for eternity.

Beyond question, this blog would get more traffic if I decided to attack Tim Keller and / or Mark Driscoll than I currently get for being an Anti-Stephen Macasil and Anti-Robert Morey blog. I get more Google traffic for the few Roberts Liardon related postings than I do either Stephen Macacil or Robert Morey. I confess that I do not attack persons popular enough to get the huge Google traffic that Stephen Macasil and Daniel Chew get for attacking much more popular persons in Christendom.

I added Roberts Lairdon’s photo to this blog posting in order to get more to read it as few desire to read about Stephen Macasil, Robert Morey, or Daniel Chew.   The only connection between Roberts Liardon and Robert Morey is a building that use to exist in Irvine, CA.

It is now in a California landfill but not forgotten as it was both the Embassy Christian Center and the Faith Defenders building.

It is now in a California landfill but not forgotten as it was both the Embassy Christian Center and the Faith Defenders building.

Not new as this is very old. It has been posted on JollyBlogger and other places in response to the spiritual discernment plague that has become too much the spirit of Christian blogging.   Found and copied from “Apologetics Index

“Censoriousness – What It Is” by George D. Watson, D.D.

Censoriousness is composed of self-conceit and severity; a self-conceit that we are superior to others, and are entitled to some sort of lordship over them; and then a severity of judging others by the outward letter of righteousness instead of by the Spirit. There are other people who are censorious besides Christians, but it does not look so conspicuous in their lives, for it is the very nature of religion to make a streak of badness look more ugly.

Censoriousness has a special facility of fastening itself on a religious person, and on persons professing a great deal of religion, and its very intensity is in the proportion to the intensity of religious zeal, and seems to find its greenest pastures in those who profess the perfection of love.

It is a parasite which, like the mistletoe, fastens itself on the tree of religion, and seeks to spread itself until it claims to be the tree, and, in fact, if not killed off, will succeed in killing the tree, which, indeed, it often does.

There seem to be certain weaknesses, and ugly, disagreeable infirmities, latent in the soul that nothing even develops till be becomes religious, and sometimes the more intense the religion the more glaring are these infirmities. There is nothing disagreeable in handling a piece of dry wood, but if you undertake to make the wood pass into a live coal of fire then will develop the unpleasant concomitant of smoke, and soot, and ashes, which would never have been known but for the process of burning, and there is something like this in the soul’s transition from a state of nature to that of the pure, burning love of God, and though all souls do not manifest the same disagreeable things, yet, as God’s grace is burning us through, it seems inevitable that there will be a smoke in the shape of some religious infirmity.

Censoriousness is not grace, but is assumes the profession of grace, and oftentimes of great sanctity, and it seems to develop in some characters only when they are really under the operations of grace, as an iceberg throws off a heavy fog when it comes near the Gulf stream. One thing is certain, that many professors of very high grace are very censorious, and they were never very censorious until some time after their declaration of entire yielding to God. Perhaps we can never understand the metaphysics of it, but we know it is a delusion of Satan to get religious people to mistake censoriousness for sanctity. One of the remedies against it is a clear understanding of what it is.

A Wrong Standard

A censorious person sets himself up as a standard of religious experience, or practice, by which to judge all others. He has almost a boundless confidence in the superiority of his own character. He never admits that he has been back-slidden in heart or life; he stoutly defends some ugly things in his disposition or conduct with the plea that they proceeded from the highest righteousness. His anger is clothed with the pretty title of righteous indignation. His stinginess is softened into holy economy. His harsh words are under the sweet cognomen of being true to other people’s souls. He lives under the one supreme thought that he came into the world for no other purpose than to set people right. If he was not always reproving something, or pitching into something, he would think himself false to his calling. His opinion concerning any church, or any association of Christian workers, or any preacher, or evangelist, or writer, or book, is already made up in advance, and labeled like so many bottles of poison on the shelves of his judgment, and he is not going to change his opinion concerning any of these things, and does not want any further light, but knows enough already to settle him in his views.

How many thousands of times have we denounced, or severely judged others, not so much because they were displeasing to God, but because they were displeasing to us; not because they were in reality breaking the word of God, but because they were breaking our notions and offending our artificial taste. Oh, it is a miserable view of life, to turn ourselves into wooden yardsticks, and metalic scales, by which to weigh and measure our fellow Christians, and then to do this under the profession of holiness.

A Fake Calling

A censorious person persuades himself that he has a special religious calling to correct others, and especially to correct them with severe methods, and that this is the greatest proof of his righteousness. If it were not for the religion that is in the censorious soul, and that is has a special vocation from God, it would lose all its seriousness and be a comical joke; but the censorious man thinks his salvation depends on the vinegar in his nature.

There are two side to religious self conceit; one is where the soul mostly contemplates its own superiority; this produces the peacock professor; and the other side is where the soul mostly contemplates the defects of others; this produces the bull dog professor. The censorious man belongs to the latter class, for while spiritual vanity is a part of his make-up, yet spiritual inquisition and severity with others constitutes the major part of his life. There are many who think that mere power to detect evil is a proof of holiness, and that growth in grace itself shows itself by an increasing aptness to ferret out the weaknesses and shortcoming of others. Now, it is the fact that the practice of detecting the defects of other will soon reach the point of almost scientific accuracy.

The world is full of evil, and Christians have many defects, though they be not actually committing sin; and even fully sanctified Christians have weaknesses of manner, and taste, and conversation, and ways of doing things that look to a critical eye as if something bad were behind it, and the well-practiced eye of a censorious spirit will, in most cases, diagnose a subject with great skill. When he finds he has hit his game so accurately, it is only another proof to him of his superior holiness. And so lives on hunting his game, and resembles a hunting dog that is so passionately fond of the chase that he fails to take time to eat, and keeps himself a living skeleton; because of all his strength is spent in the pursuit of the game. Who ever knew a censorious person to be genial in company, or a lover of little children, or sweet and amiable in their private lives.

It is said that fortune tellers start out with a knack of reading natural character, and by some practice they soon find a few general principles, such as a love affair, or some money, or a dark suspicion, or a dream of ambition, apply to most lives, and so they often tell things with amazing accuracy, until in some cases the devil actually gets them to believe that they are prophets sure enough. So the censorious person practices his gift of ferreting out the evils of others until he loses all his love, mistakes a sharp eye to be a pure heart, and, with the help of one of Satan’s messengers, comes to think he is an ordained prophet of God, only instead of telling food fortunes he is always telling bad misfortunes. Hence these censorious people, with great calmness of decision, will consign their fellow Christians to hell for any trifling thing that don’t agree with them.

An Unfruitful Life

A censorious spirit is never fruitful in saving or perfecting souls in grace, and fortunately if it grows on a person it becomes so offensive as not to reproduce its own self, and so often hinders others from becoming censorious. Persons who are gifted with the discerning of spirits, are very seldom useful, in fact, never so, except in those cases where they have been crucified so thoroughly as to be utterly humble and loving, as was the case with Bramwell.

I have met several persons who had an extraordinary gift of discerning people, whose lives were almost utterly fruitless, and I have me a few ho. Like Bramwell, while having deep discernment, were deeply ballasted with meekness and charity. But discernment by itself is like a razor in the hands of a lunatic. The sharper the instruments, the greater need of brain in the surgeon that handles them; and power to detect sin needs fathomless humility and boundless love to render it useful. A censorious man is one who lives in his head instead of his heart. We can never keep our hearts warm except by living in them. A creature that should be nothing but an enormous eye, with a breast or a heart, would be a monster; and a censorious person lives in his eye, and lets his heart out to freeze. Truth of itself can never bear fruit. It is only when truth is heated with love that is has the power of reproduction.

Censorious people think they bear fruit because they make such a stir, and if they can cause other distress, or vexation, or bring on a quarrel, or a sharp debate, or brow beat some timid soul till they weep, they think that is fruit. Fecundity, that is the fountain of fruit bearing, lies in the heart and is destroyed by censoriousness. As a rule, a censorious person has some glaring and serious inconsistency in his own life, and while he represents the part of holiness as very hard to others, he makes it exceedingly easy for himself. There is nothing more costly than to let our love crucify our judgments, and always run out beyond our discernment. A censorious spirit is a mule in the moral species, an adept at kicking, but having no fecundity.

An Unhappy Life

A censorious person is always uneasy at the large-hearted charity of a holy soul. He seems distressed lest some people should slip through the gates into heaven that he thinks ought to go to hell. Whenever he mentions having charity for others, he generally prefaces it with, “I believe in charity, but not in sentimentalism, or letting people off too easy.” Nothing so shocks a censorious spirit as coming in contact with a great ocean hearted love that makes allowances for people and looks at the hopeful side. There is a sort of mania for religious severity which is developed by the practice of censoriousness. It is said that butchers after a while grow nervous, and morose, and develop a tendency to suicide, from the habitual slaughter of cattle and the sight of so much blood. The case is similar with a censorious person; if he is not tempted to commit literal suicide, he does kill himself spiritually.

Severity, even though accompanied with many gifts and some charitable grace, will soon wear its welcome out, make enemies where there is no need to, cripples weak believers by binding on them artificial burdens, disgusts quiet, sensible people, keeps itself in constant hot water, and than imagines itself a heroic martyr.

In many cases censorious people at last get broken down and mellowed into a little love just before they die. It is not a rare occurrence, that people prophesy the death of some professing Christians by this symptom of mellowness and love that at last breaks through the crust of their harsh lives, and proves that divine grace was strong enough to live hid in their souls through long years of frostiness of disposition. Oh! What a loss, to wake up at last and find that years have been thrown away in censorious, self-righteous fretting over the defects of others, instead of pouring the soul out in a constant stream of humble kindness and fruitful love for others. Even sulphuric acid cannot hurt pure gold, but a censorious person will terribly eat away the crown of rewards that is being prepared for many a brow.

A censorious preacher in presenting Christ on the cross, will magnify the iron nails far more than the blessed person of Jesus. Some people talk as if there was nothing more about crucifixion except the nails, where-as it is the living, loving heart that consents to be nailed, which is the only thing worth our attention. Severe people talk much of crucifixion, but the deepest crucifixion possible on earth is to agree persistently to have our whole nature turned into love. To make a censorious person forever relinquish all his severity toward all people, and at all times, and in all ways, would be the deepest crucifixion and involve the most painful death to self possible in this life. So, after all, nothing kills us to sin and self but divine love.

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